1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 Actually, I may be in the wrong room because the speech I prepared tonight is titled, 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:16,000 The Mechanics Synchronized with Electromagnetic Spectrum as Anticipated by the Theory of Relativity. 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:25,000 You have me talking about the men in black. 4 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,000 See, already you're not taking me seriously. 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 The men in black really are not anything new. 6 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Can you hear me in the back? I may fade away here. 7 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:41,000 There are many references in the Bible which could be interpreted as men in black type incidents 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:49,000 because although they're called angels, they're usually in threes as our men in black are. 9 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,000 They travel in threes and they got into all sorts of mischief. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Remember the three men who went to Sodom and Gomorrah and warned the innocent people, the few innocent people there? 11 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Today that would be interpreted as a men in black incident because a men in black is a generic term. 12 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:14,000 It doesn't perjust the men in black and black Cadillacs who arrive at the scene of UFO incidents. 13 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,000 As I'll describe to you later, there are all kinds of men in black. 14 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:23,000 They're mystery men and we don't know who they are, where they come from or who's supporting them. 15 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:28,000 And some of these people apparently have a lot of logistical support and financial support. 16 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000 It's very mysterious. 17 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:35,000 In the Orient for thousands of years, there's been a legend called... 18 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:40,000 Is this Mike that sensitive? Is this showing up on the tape? 19 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 I need this to hold myself up. 20 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,000 In the Orient for thousands of years, they've had a legend called the King of the World. 21 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,000 And it's surprising how many people believe in this. 22 00:01:51,000 --> 00:02:02,000 And then the 20s and the 30s, various explorers who were traveling through the Himalayas and India and Mongolia, 23 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Outer Mongolia, they all had these legends and there were a lot of books in the 20s and 30s that mentioned the King of the World. 24 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:15,000 He's right behind me now, rewinding. 25 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,000 The King of the World supposedly lives in an underground city. 26 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,000 And we've all heard about underground cities. 27 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:31,000 Well, somewhere in the reaches of Outer Mongolia, there's supposed to be an underground city where the King of the World resides. 28 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:38,000 And he sends out his agents to control the world, the Swiss world, and these agents are men in black. 29 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:45,000 They're orientals. They look oriental. They're dressed in black garments and they supposedly travel all over the world. 30 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,000 And these legends are very extensive and they've been going on for a long time. 31 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:59,000 So half the world believes that the men in black are from the underground, from the Agasta. 32 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:04,000 You've heard that name probably. There have been various books in it. 33 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:15,000 And as I say in the 20s and 30s, a lot of books in the 1940s, a man named Richard Shaver sort of revived it and gave it an American twist with his shaver mystery, 34 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:26,000 Which was about again about underground cities populated by detrimental robots or duro's who controlled everything on the surface with their mysterious rays. 35 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:39,000 And the shaver mystery today, it's almost forgotten, but it dominated the UFO field for the first five or six years from 1947 to 1955. 36 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:44,000 The shaver mystery was the number one explanation for everything that was going on. 37 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:49,000 Ray Palmer published quite a few books supposedly written by Shaver. 38 00:03:49,000 --> 00:04:02,000 But as it turns out, they were really written by Ray Palmer promoting this idea and promoting the shaver notions of men in black because there were a lot of men in black stories in the shaver mystery. 39 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:10,000 And until just recently, there was a magazine out west called the Shaver Tron, which was about the shaver mystery. 40 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Another magazine called the Hollow Hassel, which was about the Hollow Earth where all of these men in black were coming from supposedly. 41 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Then if you go to other religions, the Western religion, you find all kinds of men of black stories, especially in the Catholicism and in Protestant religions. 42 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:43,000 We have all the stories about the devil who very often is described as looking oriental, very sinister, oriental, dressed in black garments. 43 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:53,000 So it's it has deep roots. This whole concept of the men in black in witchcraft, which is a booming religion right now, even though most of you aren't aware of it. 44 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:58,000 There are two stores in New York City that just sell the equipment for witchcraft. 45 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:09,000 During the rituals of some witches indulge in they have one of the number dressed up in black and they act out the role of the man in black. 46 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,000 And this is a part of the witchcraft religion. 47 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:25,000 In the late 1940s, there was a famous World War two general named Carl Spock, who was the general in charge of the Air Force in Europe for part of the war. 48 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 And he made a very strange statement around 1948, 49. 49 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 He said there was absolutely this was a president. 50 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:40,000 But he said there was absolutely no evidence that flying saucers were piloted by Spaniards. 51 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,000 And this was really from left field. 52 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Apparently people have been informing the Air Force that they'd seen a flying saucer and a spanish got out of it. 53 00:05:51,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Meaning that he was an olive skinned person with who looked like a Spaniard. 54 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:07,000 We never got the Air Force material that spots baked based that comment. 55 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:13,000 But it was a very peculiar statement when I was traveling extensively around the country. 56 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:27,000 I used to carry a lot of photographs with me in my briefcase photographs of different kinds of objects and also photographs of different ethnic groups because I was running into men and black witnesses all over the country. 57 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:34,000 And I would go through these photographs with them to ask them if they saw anyone that resembled the man in black that they had seen. 58 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,000 There were photographs of Indians. 59 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:40,000 There were photographs of the various Negroi races from Africa. 60 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,000 There were photographs of Eskimos. 61 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,000 There was a little mix of all kinds of ethnic groups. 62 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,000 And there was one photograph that everybody jumped on. 63 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,000 They stopped and say that is looks just like the guy that I saw. 64 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:02,000 And believe it or not it was a photograph of a lap lander from Northern Sweden. 65 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 Now they have a kind of oriental look to them. 66 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 They're small and stature. 67 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,000 And they they have a distinctive look. 68 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:18,000 And so I'm not I'm not saying that men and black are all lap landers. 69 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:24,000 But they they certainly look like them and seem to be related to them. 70 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,000 Now we have the legends that everyone will see a man in black sooner or later. 71 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:35,000 And the legend which is an old legend says you will see them the man in black three times. 72 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,000 And the third time you see him it means you're going to die. 73 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:45,000 And if you go through the history books you'll find that a lot of people have reported this including Maria and for net. 74 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:53,000 And people that you wouldn't you wouldn't expect to have this kind of involvement. 75 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Napoleon. 76 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:02,000 So that that legend is a continuing legend and a strong one. 77 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:11,000 The other kind of man in black that we have and that I've seen myself we for the one of a name we call them the cadavers. 78 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Now these are people who look like they've been dead a long time and their clothes their clothes hang on them. 79 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:27,000 Their flesh is pasty white and they they look like maybe somebody had dug them up from a cemetery last week and they're walking around. 80 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:35,000 And this this cadavers type has turned up in strange places in England Sweden. 81 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,000 Brad Stegger saw one. 82 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:45,000 As I say I saw one in the early 60s and we have no idea what these fellows are about. 83 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:50,000 They're very illusive when you approach them they sort of hurry away. 84 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,000 But I've never heard of them saying anything to anybody. 85 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:02,000 But they do have a habit of turning up in UFO areas and following UFO investigators around. 86 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,000 So if you ever see a cadavers looking man out there following you you'll know who he is. 87 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:12,000 He's one of them. 88 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:23,000 Now we have a lot of mystery men in this country that we've never been able to explain mystery men who turn up at UFO sightings 89 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,000 and spread all kinds of false material around. 90 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:34,000 There was a well one that comes to immediately to mind happened in Texas a few years ago. 91 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:41,000 There was a big movement to dig up a grave in Texas where a little man was supposedly buried. 92 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:51,000 And one a very well dressed businessman type came to the cemetery and he handed out his business card and he spent hours there 93 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:59,000 and got everybody all stirred up and he left and it turned out that his business card was a fraud in the name that he gave everybody was a fraud. 94 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:06,000 And we don't know where he came from or where he went or why he bothered to go to the cemetery. 95 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:15,000 The story was that in 1896 a UFO had crashed in this little town in Texas and there had been a little man aboard 96 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 and the people had buried him in the local cemetery. 97 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Now this story turns out was a newspaper hoax because there are a lot of stories from 1896 work. 98 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:32,000 But somebody dug up this clipping in the 1970s and there was a stampede to go to Texas to this little town and dig up the cemetery. 99 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Of course the local people didn't like that very much and it was all a big sensational brew. 100 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Nobody ever found anything in the cemetery but it was great fun for a while. 101 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:54,000 And we have we have a lot of that type of incident where somebody deliberately stirs up a UFO bus and then they vanish. 102 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 And the UFO bus remains stirred up sometimes for months or many months afterwards. 103 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:10,000 And very often the stories of these strange bogus people circulate get into the UFO literature and become part of the UFO literature. 104 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:20,000 During the Vietnamese war in those days and I'm talking about the 60s I had a network of informants all over the country who were sending me 105 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,000 newspaper clippings for a newsletter that I was publishing. 106 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:33,000 And I started getting these little clippings from random places of far flung places Minnesota and New Mexico and Oregon. 107 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:40,000 And it was the damnedest thing somebody was visiting the families of men who were in Vietnam. 108 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:51,000 And this somebody was dressed in a military uniform and they would drive up to the house of the family and they would follow military procedures exactly. 109 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:59,000 They would inform the mother or the wife or the father or the brother or whoever that their relative had been killed in Vietnam. 110 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:05,000 And this this was a very sinister thing because it would turn out to be untrue. 111 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:11,000 But you can imagine what it would do to the family for a few days until they found out that it was not true. 112 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:17,000 And these these fellows whoever they were they were dressed in the proper military uniform. 113 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I'm men in black by the way when they're in military uniform. 114 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:28,000 There's always something wrong with it. There's something askew that these men were dressed in proper military uniforms and they were driving proper vehicles. 115 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Anyone who's been in the Army knows that military officers don't write around a black Cadillac. 116 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:39,000 They write around in Sudan. Chevy's and Ford's and things that are painted usually painted brown. 117 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:48,000 And that's the way these men what they would be driving would be a simple car sedan that's been painted brown. 118 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:57,000 And I as I kept getting these clippings because if we got a few clippings about this it probably was happening in a lot more places. 119 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:04,000 I assumed that sooner or later the FBI or some police department would do something and we'd have a big story out of it. 120 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,000 But it never happened. These stories trickle in for maybe two or three years. 121 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:16,000 And whoever these crazy people were they were doing a lot of damage to these families. 122 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,000 You also have to realize that they had to know about the boy in Vietnam. 123 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:27,000 What unity was stationed with and everything. And they also had to know where his family was located. 124 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Some of these families were located on isolated farms. It would be pretty hard to find. 125 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And yet these guys would drive up to the farm and talk to the mother or the relative and say tell them that the boy had been killed. 126 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:50,000 So they had to have some kind of elaborate support connection with the military in order to do that kind of thing. 127 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,560 And it didn't seem there was a lot of anti war sympathy of course at that time. 128 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:01,520 But it didn't seem to be an action of one of those anti war groups. 129 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:08,080 So for a lot of a better name we would call these people men in black and they may still be out there. 130 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:15,800 Who knows what they're doing now. When I first got into the UFO thing in 1960s in a big way. 131 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:21,120 It was a popular belief that men in Air Force uniforms were silencing witnesses. 132 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:32,960 And this belief was spread by Afro and I kept because they would keep getting reports that a man in an Air Force uniform would arrive at the home of the witness and tell him to shut up and keep quiet. 133 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:42,000 Appeal to their patriotism. Well we had a rash of these things on Long Island and I had strong connections in the Pentagon at that time. 134 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:47,440 An old army buddy of mine was an assistant to the secretary of the Air Force. 135 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,320 And these Air Force officers would give a name. 136 00:14:51,320 --> 00:15:02,120 Sometimes they'd show credentials. They would always be in a black Cadillac, which as I say is not standard procedure for military officer. 137 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Usually somebody else would be driving the Cadillac and these men would be in military uniform. 138 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:23,000 But there would be something just a little bit wrong. The insignia would be in the wrong place on the jacket or they would be wearing the wrong type of shoes to see a military officer dressed in a dress uniform and wearing sneakers. 139 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,560 Kind of strange. And there was always something that the witness would remember. 140 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:38,720 He said hey, that was funny. Well, one woman in Wisconsin told me that she invited the officer in and offered him some jello and he tried to drink the jello. 141 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:51,520 And so it didn't take me long to figure out that maybe these guys really weren't Air Force officers and my contacts in the Pentagon could not locate these people, the names that they were being given. 142 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,880 A few cases we had the license numbers of the cars. We would check those out, which is very easy to do. 143 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:07,600 And we find out the license had never been issued to anybody. So now how in the world, if you were going to make up a phony license plate, what kind of luck would it take for you to come up with a number that nobody else had? 144 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:15,160 So I started antagonizing the UFO bus by saying these guys are not from the Air Force. 145 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:24,200 And he said, I feel is obviously working for the CIA. But as soon as I got wise to them, they started using other techniques. 146 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:37,480 They always stayed one step ahead of me. We had a variety of strange incidents that happened over and over again and never made any sense at all. 147 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:51,760 One of my favorites is the Phantom meter reader. This is where a man would knock at a door of a house in suburbs and say he'd come to read the meter, the electric meter, the gas meter. 148 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,680 And he would be dressed in the proper coveralls and all and they would let him in. 149 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:05,600 They'd go down into the basement and he wouldn't come out. And these people after about an hour, they said, what the hell is he doing down at my basement? 150 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,520 And they would look and sometimes the man would be gone altogether, never to be seen again. 151 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:22,280 And even though there was no way out of his faith at that basement and other times they were the man would be just starting up the stairs as they opened the cellar door to find out where he was. 152 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:29,840 So the phantom meter readers was one type of M.I.B. that we we've had. 153 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,720 Then we had the phantom photographers and these were humdingers because these fellows turned up everywhere. 154 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,880 They often traveled in pairs. One would be a woman and the other would be a man. 155 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:50,360 And they were usually quite well dressed and they usually would arrive in a black Cadillac and still I started doing articles about the black Cadillacs. 156 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:57,560 And then they switched to Volkswagen's and they were driving around West Virginia in their Volkswagen's. 157 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:06,280 And they they they would drive up to the house of a witness, a UFO witness, who had just had a baby and they would say that they were photographers, 158 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,560 professional photographers and they wanted to photograph the baby. 159 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,240 And of course, new parents would be delighted to have that done. 160 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:23,120 So they they would set up their equipment, they take pictures of the baby and they give the people a card with a neighboring town listed on the card as an acne photographer. 161 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,240 And they would drive away. And it would turn out that there was no such thing as acne photographers. 162 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:34,600 And they would never come back. And if they were professional photographers, they'd never try to sell the photographs to these families. 163 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 So that that was another mystery. 164 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:43,720 And then we had the phantom photographers who after somebody say you'd never seen a UFO before in your life. 165 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:52,360 And then one night you're you're out driving home way and you see a UFO close up and you live in the suburbs the next day. 166 00:18:52,480 --> 00:19:01,480 You're getting up and there's a Cadillac park in front of your house and some men get out and they take out a big tripod and a big heavy camera. 167 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,520 And they set it on the tripod and they take a picture of your house. 168 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,920 And then they put it all back in the car and they drive away. 169 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,000 You figure they're going to come up to the door and offer to sell you a picture of your beautiful house. 170 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,280 But they don't do that. They just get in the car and drive off. 171 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:24,440 And I in the course of my investigations, I learned to ask people about not just about what they had seen, 172 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:31,480 but about any strange thing that had happened to them around the time of their sighting that week or even that month. 173 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,600 And a lot of people would come up with some very strange things, very strange visitors. 174 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:44,200 And we still get reports of these strange visitors about 10 years ago in New York City. 175 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:52,120 There was a lady in black that used to hang around the the pickup bars around Second Avenue. 176 00:19:52,120 --> 00:19:55,120 And this this woman became a legend in New York. I don't know. 177 00:19:55,120 --> 00:20:06,000 Some of you may have heard of her. She she was approached men and in the bar and get them all excited. 178 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:14,040 And then she would excuse herself and go into the ladies room and never come out again. 179 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,680 There must have been a hundred of these stories during that period. 180 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:25,640 We had supposedly a very good looking lady who dressed in a very slinky black dress. 181 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,680 And God knows what game that was or what the purpose of all that was for. 182 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:37,760 That is, I said, we've had an opportunity witnesses, a lot of witnesses have either offered them food or seen these people in restaurants. 183 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,680 And we've had an opportunity to see the reading habits, which are disgusting. 184 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,880 These people do not know how to eat. They don't. 185 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,720 They said one of them tried to drink yellow. 186 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,560 They don't know how to handle a knife and fork. 187 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:01,840 In one incident, the waitress had to come over and show her show the man how to cut a steak. 188 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,760 And then they didn't shoot their food. They just sort of swallow it, go put down. 189 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:12,120 And they they figured they're getting away with it. But everybody in the place is watching them do it. 190 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:18,480 Again, they always look like orientals who are not quite oriental. 191 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:28,480 Again, the lap-lander kind of look and they're always dressed in black clothes, which most often is out of style. 192 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:35,200 They're wearing something that would have been in style in 1946 instead of 1986. 193 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,360 And so there's always some little thing that's that's out of quack for these people. 194 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,640 Just as an military officer, we're sneakers, as I said. 195 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:49,040 We have a lot of things lumped into the same category. 196 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,440 There are various incidents that I was involved in over the years. 197 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:58,880 We had a UFO investigator in Maine who was people and some of you probably know all about this. 198 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:04,200 Get very obsessed with UFOs. It dominates their whole life. 199 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:11,760 Especially if they become UFO investigators in a small town, it likes takes over their life. 200 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:20,040 And then they they become very credulous and all sorts of strange things can seem to happen to them. 201 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:28,160 We had a UFO investigator in Maine who was driving around an area where UFOs had been seen and saw a black Cadillac. 202 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:33,680 And he had a gun with him and he got out of the car and started shooting at the black Cadillac. 203 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,080 Really upset the guy who was driving the black Cadillac because it wasn't a black Cadillac at all. 204 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,840 This UFO investigator was hallucinating. 205 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:49,600 He thought he was seeing a black Cadillac and it was an ordinary car and this and being driven by an ordinary person. 206 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:57,440 And it was almost a very serious incident. The man, the investigator was hauled into jail and nobody would believe his story. 207 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:02,320 And he turned to me thinking I could get him out of the slammer. 208 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,040 Why am I going to go up there and say, listen, the man is shooting a black Cadillac. 209 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:13,400 And he thinks he sees men in black. 210 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:20,240 We had we had a UFO investigator in Massachusetts who was seeing alligators. 211 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:30,760 Now, this man, this poor man would turn on the spicket in his bathroom and an alligator would come out of the closet. 212 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:36,680 He would get into his car and look in the back seat and there's an alligator in the back seat. 213 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,080 So he was he was hallucinating about alligators. 214 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,240 And I knew there was nothing much. 215 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,360 I he was writing me these long letters telling me about all the alligators he was saying. 216 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:49,920 And I sent a friend of mine, Dr. Virgil Schwartz up to say. 217 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,920 And when Dr. Schwartz arrived there, the man had a shotgun by the door and he was waiting for Dr. Schwartz. 218 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080 He was he was afraid that Dr. Schwartz was a man in black. 219 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:10,880 Dr. Schwartz is a famous psychiatrist. But we do have a lot of I can't really call him screwballs because there's something more involved here. 220 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,400 It's it's where they their minds just get carried away with the whole UFO thing. 221 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:20,040 The term that I used to use was a distortion of reality. 222 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:25,280 So that very often the people that you're seeing may not be men in black at all. 223 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:31,520 Maybe just an ordinary guy in an ordinary suit and your mind is making him a man in black. 224 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,560 But he held a buddy in Barney Hill. 225 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:44,640 I don't know if you're up enough with the literature, but that he and Barney Hill had quite a few men in black episodes, which may have been just hallucinatory. 226 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:52,480 They would go into a restaurant and they would be followed by this man in a black suit with a mustache and he would sit down at the table next to them. 227 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:58,440 And while they're reading this man in black is eating soup and his mustache falls in a soup. 228 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:03,400 And it was obvious that these people were just following Betty and Barney Hill around. 229 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,800 And we would put them into the men in black category. 230 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:16,440 We do know that in the early 1950s, the CIA was directly involved in the UFO investigation. 231 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,280 But after 1952, there's no really hard evidence. 232 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:28,560 The CIA has confessed to the fact that they were involved in UFO investigation between 48 and 52. 233 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:34,360 But then in 52, they had the famous Robertson panel, which decided on the UFO policy. 234 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,560 And after that, the CIA was supposedly out of it. 235 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:43,200 But there were still a lot of cases that smelled of the CIA. 236 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:49,200 When those of you who remember, I guess most of you do, Lee Harvey Oswald, 237 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:59,320 when we leave Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested, a large group of men in black suits went to the base in Japan, 238 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:04,120 where he had been stationed at one point and they searched the whole place. 239 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:10,200 This is with all the military officers standing by. And this is in the books about Lee Harvey Oswald. 240 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:19,160 So we do. We do have agents who are so smart that they wear black suits all the time and wrap around sunglasses. 241 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,600 And do really stupid things so that they'll stand out. 242 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:32,360 It would seem to me that if they wanted to be really smart, they would dress in dungarees and have long hair and carry a guitar. 243 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:37,240 But no, they have to dress in their uniform just as the FBI agents are always in uniform. 244 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:42,640 They all they look like clones. They're all they all have the same haircut. 245 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,440 They all have the same kind of clothing. 246 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:52,800 But J Edgar Hoover was very strict. They had to they had to look like FBI agents. 247 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:58,640 Now, I had a friend in England. His name was Ted Holiday. 248 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:04,760 He wrote a number of very good books. He may have remembered Ted Holiday. 249 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,360 He saw a man in black, it's Loch Ness. 250 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:14,240 Now, he had been spending every summer at Loch Ness looking for the famous C-serf in there. 251 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,160 Well, actually, he did see the C-serf at once or he thought he did. 252 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,360 Anyway, he said this man in black was dressed in a black leather with goggles and a helmet like a motorcycle. 253 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:30,440 And Ted walked up to him and turned his eyes away for about 10 seconds. 254 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,200 And in that time, the man vanished. 255 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:39,040 And one year later, Ted was on the same spot because he goes back. 256 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,080 It went back there every year and he had a severe heart attack. 257 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:49,200 And as he was lying on a stretcher and they were about to carry him off from that spot, 258 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:57,160 he realized that it was the exact spot where he had seen this man in black a year earlier. 259 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:03,080 Colin Wilson, the very famous British author, had a few comments to make on it. 260 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,920 But it's one theory to go with it. 261 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,520 He said, Halliday was experiencing a problem that is familiar to students of the paranormal. 262 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:19,680 They begin more or less as open-minded skeptics prepared to give serious consideration to any evidence that presents itself, 263 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,280 but determined not to indulge in any self-disruptions. 264 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:29,400 Finally, the sheer weight of the evidence convinces them that something odd is going on. 265 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,760 And they tried to create what all this Huxley called a minimum working hypothesis, 266 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,960 an explanation that covers the basic facts. 267 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,840 This may be, for example, telepathy of a famous writer named Lethbridge, 268 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:49,840 saw a ghost, a man dressed in a writing clothing in the rooms of a university friend. 269 00:28:49,840 --> 00:29:00,680 And he theorized that someone else may have been thinking about this man and that his own mind somehow picked up the image like a television picture without the sound. 270 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,960 But he was forced to drop this explanation as he encountered other examples of the paranormal. 271 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,000 And this tends to be the experience of the most serious investigators. 272 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:18,400 Whenever they have formulated a watertight general theory, they stumble upon some new fact that simply refuses to fit in. 273 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,520 And then they have to extend the theory. 274 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Then they find still more awkward facts and they have to extend it still further. 275 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:35,600 And at no time at all, their original, symmetrical theory looks like an old sock stuffed with rubbish. 276 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:41,920 Years ago, when we had a lot of magazines that we don't have anymore, 277 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:49,200 general magazines that carried a lot of articles, not only about UFOs, but about everything that was going on now. 278 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:57,520 It's very rare that we get any real in depth investigative reporting anywhere. 279 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,920 There was a magazine called Saga. They used to do a lot of this and I used to write for them. 280 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:07,000 A lot of people wrote for them. A lot of the UFO writers wrote for Saga. 281 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:14,280 And they once they started carrying UFO articles, they started getting all kinds of hoax letters. 282 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,680 And we knew they were hoaxes because they were perfectly tight with no misspelling. 283 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:28,400 And this was rare. You get an average letter from an average person and there's always, you know, sloppy. 284 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,680 But these things were perfectly done and beautifully typed. 285 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,360 Obviously, somebody had the best of IBM typewriters at that time. 286 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,600 And they were these things were well thought out and carefully done. 287 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,960 That's how we would know they were hoaxes. If we got a letter written in pencil and making all kinds of weird, 288 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,320 exaggerated claims, we know that that maybe was authentic. 289 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,440 But these hoax letters were something else. 290 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,680 We got one M.I.B. account that the editor was quite excited about. 291 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:04,160 And it was so well well written that I pointed out it had to have been written by a professional writer. 292 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960 There's no way that the average witness could have written this. 293 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:14,080 It was beautifully done. And he followed all of the rules of writing, which most people don't even know where exists. 294 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:30,200 And then he went into detail about this elaborate M.I.B. experience and then he followed it up with a postcard saying that he was leaving by a bus for an unknown destination so that we could never follow through and find out who he was. 295 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,160 We've had around the world we've had what they call the Umo letters. 296 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,960 How many of you have heard of Umo? There have been books about it. 297 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,640 This has been going on for over 20 years, about 25 years now. 298 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:50,600 These are very elaborate letters written in all languages and sent to leading researchers around the world. 299 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,440 And these letters are filled with interesting philosophies. 300 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:01,680 Whoever writes this, these things has a good knowledge of the science and philosophy. 301 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Some of the letters are quite impressive because they're just too many. 302 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:12,320 And everyone has a different postmark. One man in Spain may get a letter postmarked in New Zealand. 303 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:18,680 And the next Umo letter may turn up in Germany written in German and postmarked Canada. 304 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,360 So whoever's mailing these things and mailing them from all over the world and they're writing them. 305 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:30,480 And that's who's ever doing it is doing it full time, which is a puzzle. 306 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,880 And as I say, there are now a couple of books. 307 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:39,360 I don't know if any of them have been translated into English, but books of these letters have been published in Europe. 308 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:47,760 And at one point the French government got involved in this and the French government became convinced that they were in touch with another planet. 309 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:54,120 And I'm talking about high up in the French government, the minister of France, the leading scientists in France were all 310 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,520 involved and then it turned into a great embarrassment because then hoaxes were pulled on them. 311 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,720 And it was one of the sensational things of the 1970s. 312 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:13,000 The result was that the French government gave up on new phones and they decided instead to fund the private investigators, 313 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:20,760 the civilian investigators, and they gave them enough money to go out and investigate things, which is remarkable in any country. 314 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,720 And these French investigators all became anti UFO. 315 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Now that they had the funding and they were able to travel around, they reopened old cases like the famous. 316 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:39,840 You may know that in 1952 there were a lot of UFO landings in France all over France. 317 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,040 They reopened a lot of these cases and they decided that they were all hoaxes. 318 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:51,000 And it was a very strange turnabout and it all started with the Umo letters to the top officials of France. 319 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,400 Now it is quite possible. 320 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:04,800 It's even probable that people high up in the American government have also been sucked into these kinds of games and given up at some point. 321 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,040 It's 10 o'clock. How long am I supposed to go? 322 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,400 Ten more minutes. Maybe I should take some questions. 323 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,320 Approach me. No, but I approached them. 324 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,960 I chased them. I missed them by ten minutes. 325 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:27,280 I was when I was in West Virginia and Ohio, people would call me up in my hotel and they say, Hey, these guys are here and come and come and get them. 326 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:32,560 And so I raced there and they they'd be gone by ten minutes. 327 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,480 And we had the local police in a lot of towns looking for them. 328 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:41,560 We had a one time I had hopes that we would catch one of these cars and solve a part of that mystery. 329 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:47,880 Somebody asked me about morey Island. That was considered the first men in black case. 330 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:54,920 And it turned out that's a very involved thing because I spent a lot of time on that morey Island case. 331 00:34:54,920 --> 00:35:02,360 This is where a group of men were on a boat and to coma harbor and they saw a couple of objects fly over the boat. 332 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:13,080 This is in nineteen forty seven and early the next morning a black car pulled up in front of the home of one of the witnesses and a man got out and invited the witness to the breakfast. 333 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,240 And over breakfast he warned him not to talk about what he had seen the day before. 334 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:23,280 This was before he told anybody. So this became one of our first men in black cases. 335 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:32,240 But when you really dig into that, it seems to have an explanation at that time, that area. 336 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,800 The Hanford works is very close to that where we make an bomb. 337 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:52,720 And there was a big thing going on with spies and later, of course, we had sensational spy trials about the bomb where sixty five of the scientists who were making the bomb were proved to be traitors. 338 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:57,720 And they had been giving the Soviet Union materials. And this was all tied in with that. 339 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,280 And so a lot of the stuff that was going on in morey Island, it didn't make sense at that time. 340 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:08,560 Later makes sense in the context of the spy chase that we're going on. 341 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:17,440 And the the original story where these these objects were flying over to coma harbor. 342 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:25,960 This story has a certain flaws to it. That namely that the one of the men who made the most noise about it proved to be a tremendous liar. 343 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:33,560 It's a very involved and complex case. I have enough material to do a book on it and nobody wanted to do the book. 344 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,320 It's not as 1947. Forget about it. Yeah. 345 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,760 But it was not one of our true men in black. 346 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:50,360 Well, now the only the only photograph is Tim Beckley and his friends took a photograph some years ago in New Jersey. 347 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,960 There was a black cat like a parked across from the home of a UFO investigator. 348 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,480 And this man would get out of the black cat. I can stand around and look at the house. 349 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,760 And so Jim Mosley and Tim Beckley and some others maybe they'll tell you about it later. 350 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,840 They went out there with cameras and they went chasing after this cat. 351 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:16,760 I might be as it was somebody chauffeur. Well, there are there are a couple of cases where they seem to be machine like. 352 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,400 Like they run down like a clock. 353 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:32,560 They'll talk for a witness for half an hour and they just run down and then they'll then they'll leave the house and say the witness lives way out in the country somewhere. 354 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,200 And they leave the house and they disappear and the witness looks out the window and there's no car out there. 355 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,720 Nothing for them. No transportation for them. 356 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:46,720 Another thing that happens in more than one case is it can be raining and miserable and these people will arrive at the 357 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:51,560 door and they're dry and their feet aren't muddy or anything. 358 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,120 Not we've had a lot of cases where they threaten people. 359 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,280 But there are cases where they have bragged about killing people. 360 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,400 There was a famous case where they bragged about killing a Barney Hill. 361 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,800 Right to a doctor about that. But we don't have any direct evidence that that's happened. 362 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,800 But there have been a lot of mysterious deaths in the UFO field. 363 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:19,880 And from now on you can watch for this. A lot of the leading UFO investigators have died on June 24. 364 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,720 In fact, even Jackie Gleason was a big UFO. 365 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,200 He built a house up and get the Catskills that look like a UFO. 366 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,840 When you drove by it, you swear a UFO and landed it with Jackie Gleason's home. 367 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,120 But he died on June 24 two years ago. 368 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:41,520 But there are many others who died. Frank Edwards, who's you all read his books probably Frank Edwards died on June 23. 369 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:49,600 Of course, June 24 is the date that Kenneth Arnold saw the sight of the sightings in 1947. 370 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,880 Well, thank you very much. I think.